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taenia solium
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ps: download the Ableton Live demo, test it, and then you will understand why i think FL is less advanced than some others daws...
http://www.ableton.com/downloads
anyway less advanced doesn't mean less useful or worst.
i've never bought Live, i still prefer Fruity, but i admit that Live is a more powerfull tool!
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Trance Tribe
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| taenia solium wrote: |
but for different kind of music FL is a pain, it's really too techno oriented. |
Well I can make anything with FL from classical to metal... so the style shouldn't be a problem if you know how to do it 
| Quote: | with FL, you will need more vst's to be really productive in a good way,
you know you will need to buy some plugins because those included with Fruity aren't good enough, you will need more fx too....
and it's expensive... |
But this is true, FL's default sounds aren't very good. But I use mostly free plugins and samples, and get a good sound with them, so it's not expensive! You just have to find some good free sounds. But I also use some FL's default plugins, like 3xOsc for bass and acid.
I guess FL just has a "toy" reputation because it's easy to use and many beginners use it and the default sounds aren't so good, but you can make good music with it too! I haven't used other daws though, so I can't compare.
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taenia solium
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Trance Tribe wrote: | | Well I can make anything with FL from classical to metal... so the style shouldn't be a problem if you know how to do it. |
i''ve made many classical pieces and metal tracks myself with fruity.
and my main musical style isn't hardcore, i'm more into dark ambient. but i'm speaking about quality.
i would love to hear some 'good' classical or metal done with FL and free plugs...but to be honest i doubt it's really possible.
but if you have some songs to share, to prove i'm wrong, it will be appreciated.
| Quote: | But this is true, FL's default sounds aren't very good. But I use mostly free plugins and samples, and get a good sound with them, so it's not expensive! You just have to find some good free sounds. But I also use some FL's default plugins, like 3xOsc for bass and acid.
I guess FL just has a "toy" reputation because it's easy to use and many beginners use it and the default sounds aren't so good, but you can make good music with it too! I haven't used other daws though, so I can't compare. |
yes, i agree about the fact that you can make good music (techno-ish) with free plugs. there are tons of awesome free synths and fx out there...
so you can make music without buying commercial stuff.
some free plugs are as good or even better than many commercial vst, so i totaly agree with you on this point.
i personnaly doesn't like any of the FL synths.
i think there are lots of free plugs way better.
but i still use some FL build-in fx.
anyway my intent wasn't to start a 'fruity war', because like i've already said i LOVE IT...
cheers guyz!
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Trance Tribe
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Going offtopic...
| taenia solium wrote: | i would love to hear some 'good' classical or metal done with FL and free plugs...but to be honest i doubt it's really possible.
but if you have some songs to share, to prove i'm wrong, it will be appreciated. |
Well here's some of my tracks, maybe the quality isn't best but it's something
metal
classical
Sorry for the offtopic 
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taenia solium
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Trance Tribe wrote: | Going offtopic...
Well here's some of my tracks, maybe the quality isn't best but it's something
metal
classical |
the classic one is nicely built but it's missing some dynamics,
it needs some space and a largest range of frequencies to really do justice.
anyway it's very well composed. (is it by you? i ask because there is 'cover' after the title...).
now the metal track, to be honest it's not really something i would call metal.
it's more electro than metal for me. guitars and drums are too 'computerized'
to sound like 'real' metal.
here is a litle metal track that i've made in FL, nothing really good, and with a bad sound quality, but anyway if you want to listen:
it's here
cheers.
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Trance Tribe
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| taenia solium wrote: | the classic one is nicely built but it's missing some dynamics,
it needs some space and a largest range of frequencies to really do justice.
anyway it's very well composed. (is it by you? i ask because there is 'cover' after the title...). |
No, it's not originally by me. My own compositions I've released are older and lack more in quality... But thanks
| Quote: | now the metal track, to be honest it's not really something i would call metal.
it's more electro than metal for me. guitars and drums are too 'computerized'
to sound like 'real' metal. |
Yeah, the drums are intentionally more in the style of The Berzerker, and it's closer to grindcore/industrial than "real" metal. It's true though that you can't make very good guitars digitally.
| Quote: | here is a litle metal track that i've made in FL, nothing really good, and with a bad sound quality, but anyway if you want to listen:
it's here |
Apart from the sound quality it's at least better and more metal than mine
if you work hard you can get something out of FL, but it's of course always better to do non-electronic music with real instruments.
Anyone have experience of making non-electronic music with other programs?
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taenia solium
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Trance Tribe wrote: | | No, it's not originally by me. My own compositions I've released are older and lack more in quality... But thanks |
by the way, what have you used on this one apart FL?
i mean the sounds, free samples, sf2, or some big classical library( ala miroslav, eastwest...) ?
indeed with more work on the mastering it could've been really wonderful.
| Quote: | | It's true though that you can't make very good guitars digitally. |
yeah, it's the only instrument practicaly impossible to emulate.
i've used 'Slayer' on mine. i think i recognize it on your track too, no?
| Quote: | | but it's of course always better to do non-electronic music with real instruments. |
sure!
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Trance Tribe
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| taenia solium wrote: |
by the way, what have you used on this one apart FL?
i mean the sounds, free samples, sf2, or some big classical library( ala miroslav, eastwest...) ?
indeed with more work on the mastering it could've been really wonderful. |
I used mostly soundfonts and G-Town Church samplepack.
| Quote: | yeah, it's the only instrument practicaly impossible to emulate.
i've used 'Slayer' on mine. i think i recognize it on your track too, no? |
No, I used Dethmetal soundfont.
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taenia solium
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| Trance Tribe wrote: | | G-Town Church samplepack. |
hehehe... one of my favourite free samples library!  |
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LeVzi
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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FL's defaults , ie sytrus 3xosc etc are fine imo, Cubase's arent any better. And Image Line are always updating their stuff.
I bought the Poizone, Morphine & Toxic pack and they are amazing VST's.
FL is the complete deal, its as good as any of the others, regardless of anyones opinions.
In fact with additions of new things, FL actually imo overtakes (SliceX and Maximus) |
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Dj Troy
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| i have reason 4 ableton 7 and fl 7 and 8 reason i find is the best ableton is better then fl only because fl has terrible sound coming out the end of it and with no mastering tools built in yano....never tried cubase but i heard if you rewire it with reason there's noting better! |
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LeVzi
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Dj Troy wrote: | | i have reason 4 ableton 7 and fl 7 and 8 reason i find is the best ableton is better then fl only because fl has terrible sound coming out the end of it and with no mastering tools built in yano....never tried cubase but i heard if you rewire it with reason there's noting better! |
Terrible sound coming out ? Cannot say i've ever had that problem.
The whole FL = Warm Reason = Tinny Cubase/Albeton=Crystal was started by ppl who do not like Reason or FL.
Each DAW has its merits, but not one is superior to the other. If it was, everyone wouldnt hesitate to use it. |
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Dj Troy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Listen to a track made on reason and listen to a track produced on fl you will hear the diffreance only because reason has built in mastering tools which fl doesnt have plus fl patterned way to make music is great and easy but takes so much time twice as long as another program its a very good program but in my expirence i think that reason and ableton are better and i am not a fanboy i love fl and reason!but look if you have fl i advise you to get reason and rewire fl then everything will sound great i do not mean to offend but thats my opnion! |
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LeVzi
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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No offence taken, but what i'm saying is that when I create in FL and export a mastered track, and do the same in reason, which I have done, FL sounds no different. I've used Cubase/Reason/Ableton and using the same processes didnt really alter anything. Plus FL has come a long long way with the introduction of maximus. Any FL track sounds good even if you slap Soundgoodizer on it. I really cannot hear any difference tbh, including through my studio monitors.
But I never want to run anyones choice of DAW down, its up to you what you use, I love FL and wont use the others as to me, they just dont work as I want them to. But fact states more and more ppl are turning to FL now than before, its becoming the new thing from an old thing, if ya get me. |
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Dj Troy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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ya i get you well whatever one you like best yourself  i sapose |
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